please, cast-pro about refinery!!! awesome and dynamic project, but it has no any guides or structural documentation.
We're working on that ; )
Is Refinery compatible with Twitter Bootstrap?
yes, but not out of the box. there are no CLI args to generate bootstrap layout or use it as core's stylesheet. it's clear how to override your own views using bootstrap, but not the whole cms. for me as newbie it takes a lot of time to understand how it works.. also, you can not extrac refinery gem sources to vendor/ for convinience.
Yes. To be complete, Refinery is compatible with anything you may want. As @shaman-sh sayd, it may take some time to understand how.
I found out that browsing the source of refinery-core was explanatory.
Working with these views I've been able to restyle everything I need:
But most important (and I had to copy by hand) layouts/application.html.erb can make your life easier. Anyway is pretty simple (this is my version with already container-fluid class for the page_container):
<%= render '/refinery/html_tag' %>
<% site_bar = render('/refinery/site_bar', :head => true) -%>
<%= render '/refinery/head' %>
<%= site_bar -%>
<%= render '/refinery/ie6check' if request.env['HTTP_USER_AGENT'] =~ /MSIE/ -%>
<div id="page_container" class="container-fluid">
<%= render '/refinery/header' -%>
<%= yield %>
<%= render '/refinery/footer' -%>
How did you set twitter's column classes (like .span8) to refinery's page sections (body and side_body)?
I've gotten to the same point in your layouts/application file, but am hitting a roadblock when trying to style the inner page section.
thanks for the help
first of all thanks for your hints on how to get Bootstrap up and running.
I noticed that in the meantime
rake refinery:override view=layouts/application
rake refinery:override view=layouts/application
works for generating app/views/layouts/application.html.erb
I tried Refinary a long time ago but there is no good documentation, it must have taken you quite some time digging through the source code to figure all this out ryan
You must not have looked very hard
it's fair and superficially. just for getting started.
i was looking into several rails cms a about a year or so ago and none had good documentation. I just checked the new Refinary docs and they are much better than what i remember.
There is also an active IRC channel #refinerycms at irc.freenode.net but yes the guides need work. They are outdated and could use some organization to be sure. The core team and friends are gearing up to dedicate some time to it, especially in light of being featured on Railscasts
the github readmes are also a good source
I guess this means we've finally hit the big time. Not that I'm apart of the team, but I've been following this project for quite some time now and its good to see it mentioned here by Ryan.
Thanks for the screencast. We have been using refinerycms extensively and really like it a lot. Now that the new version is out it seems time to check it out.
All these CMS (with a page model and a body column) out there are missing one big thing:
A flexible content storing architecture.
I would never give one big editor for managing the texts, formattings, images to my client. The client always breaks the layout, because of too many possibilities.
Take a look at http://alchemy-cms.com - its architecture is completly different and the usage is enduser-centric ;-)
If anyone is interested in an extremely flexible rails cms, that completely separates content, markup and styling, then you really should try Alchemy CMS.
Do you really want to give your customers a TinyMCE editor, where he has to put images into markup? I doubt that! Refinery and all other "Page model, body column" cms are great if you need a small little cms addon for your own rails app and you, as a developer, manages the content for your customer.
But if you want to let your customer manage a whole webpage with several different page layouts and page elements you won't make him happy with such a cms.
Please try Alchemy :)
With the right combination of engines and development techniques, it's possible to give clients complicated and well-layed-out web sites. I think we've demonstrated that here http://www.neotericdesign.com/portfolio and our own site is in Refinery.
Yes, you are right. You always can use any kind of technique to achieve the same goal.
You could do this even with wordpress, for sure.
But does your customer has a technical background? Does he know what a 'p' is and what this means? Ours have not, and they should not, IMHO. How do you prevent failures in markup? Especially in SEO concerns? Alchemy decouples the markup 100% from styling and content. So a heading is always a H1 tag (or what ever the webdev wants it to be). The user does not even has the chance to change that and is save from making errors. And they love Alchemy for that!
How do you ensure this with refinery? Do you wrote tinymce plugins, not really? And how do you manage repeatable, global content, like teaser boxes, footer parts, etc. And what does this mean for your developers? It is easy and intuitive to implement?
I think it is always a question of perspective.
You really should give Alchemy a try for your next project.
I am sure you will love it :)
For repeatable content you can use refinerycms-copywriting. TinyMCE is garbage. It is better to provide few basic well styled styles like WYMEditor does in RefineryCMS. User can't destroy web with own content easily.
You can disable H1 in WYMEditor easily and force H1 into layout or page partial. You're free to do anything you want with HTML markup.
If basic pages are not enough for you, just generate own engine and customize. Everytime you're working with Refinery code, you're just using yours Rails skills. You don't need more knowledge. Everything is just a Rails engine.
Alchemy is pure CMS. Refinery is more framework than CMS. I'm customizing Refinery (backend and frontend) for each site I'm building. It is very easy to do with Refinery.
You can compare guides:
* plugin for Alchemy
* Refinery engine
The difference is significant. I'm not Alchemy hater. I'm just answering your questions. Feel free to join freenode#refinerycms, if you have another questions about Refinery.
The alchemy guide you mentioned is old. Bad that this one is still online, but you can find the actual guide here: http://guides.alchemy-cms.com/creating_modules.html
Since Rails3.1 and mountable engines, this is also implemented.
Alchemy is not only a CMS, its a framework for storing and rendering content.
You first have to understand the architecture behind it, but then its really flexible and comfortable for the user.
Have you ever tried Alchemy?
You can relabel the buttons to say anything you want but yes, regardless of our clients' technical skill level, we have trained every single one of them to use the CMS successfully with good, clear documentation and excellent 1-on-1 training sessions, followed by ongoing support if they still have questions. No one has ever, ever had a problem understanding H1, H2, P, etc.
if the client has specific SEO goals, we train them with a style guide of which buttons they should use for what kind of content and heading. It's not hard at all. They get it easily. We also make sure the auto generated markup around their content (this is especially easy with custom engines where they fill in fields more than rich text boxes) is semantic and optimized.
*starts eating pop corn*
Seems useful to declare that you guys actually write Alchemy CMS ( judging by that you're the two largest contributors to the project :-) )
Yes, you are right. Great work on Refinery btw.
I wanted to show people some alternatives.
And to be very clear: I do not want to start a "A is better than B" discussion. I think it's great to have choice. Refinery is great in what it does, so it's Alchemy.
Yep, not trying to start a fight, just defending our work. Haven't tried Alchemy, never intended to say or imply anything about it.
I confirm the page parts bug is fixed in 2.0.2. Thanks!
Great RailsCast, Ryan! Thank you so much for covering Refinery CMS. It makes all the effort that we put into it just that little bit more worthwhile :-)
Great cast ryan. Any plans on BrowserCMS?
There is a nice (somewhat oudated) comparsion here
Hi Ryan and rails cast groupies! One thing I ran into which I thought might be worth a mention:
if you develop on Linux system as I do be sure to include the gem 'therubyracer' in your Gemfile. By default refinery doesn't include it. The reason you need it is on linux there is no default JS engine. I was getting very strange behavior and lots of JS errors in my log.
Otherwise great cast!
Is anyone else having issues viewing this episode?
It either won't start streaming or will stop streaming about a minute in. Wouldn't let me download the MP4 version either.
I'm having an issue. I have everything installed properly, in fact I even have the website up in localhost with a little bit of style to it. My issue is my admin panel doesnt look like that of which is in this video. For instance: Under those tabs body and side body, im missing that "tool bar" per-say. Where it gives the options of including h1 h2 tags, inserting images, html, et. Why is that?
Also when I click advanced options, nothing happens, also; I cant slide the top tabs the way I like them. Which seems fluid in this video. I'm using windows.
enclosed an image to see the lack of tool bar:
Check out Locomotive CMS overview in my blog - http://railsguides.net/2012/09/24/the-best-content-management-system-cms . Locomotive CMS is the best system for today in my opinion
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